diff --git a/src/app/commands.ts b/src/app/commands.ts
index 030cb1c5..27c1189e 100644
--- a/src/app/commands.ts
+++ b/src/app/commands.ts
@@ -27,8 +27,8 @@ import {
   getRelayTagValues,
 } from "@welshman/util"
 import type {TrustedEvent, EventTemplate, List} from "@welshman/util"
-import type {SubscribeRequestWithHandlers, Subscription} from "@welshman/net"
-import {PublishStatus, AuthStatus, SocketStatus, SubscriptionEvent} from "@welshman/net"
+import type {SubscribeRequestWithHandlers} from "@welshman/net"
+import {PublishStatus, AuthStatus, SocketStatus} from "@welshman/net"
 import {Nip59, makeSecret, stamp, Nip46Broker} from "@welshman/signer"
 import {
   pubkey,
@@ -51,7 +51,6 @@ import {
   nip44EncryptToSelf,
   loadRelay,
   addSession,
-  subscribe,
   clearStorage,
   dropSession,
 } from "@welshman/app"
@@ -97,33 +96,6 @@ export const makeIMeta = (url: string, data: Record<string, string>) => [
   ...Object.entries(data).map(([k, v]) => [k, v].join(" ")),
 ]
 
-export const subscribePersistent = (request: SubscribeRequestWithHandlers) => {
-  let sub: Subscription
-  let done = false
-
-  const start = async () => {
-    // If the subscription gets closed quickly, don't start flapping
-    await Promise.all([
-      sleep(30_000),
-      new Promise(resolve => {
-        sub = subscribe(request)
-        sub.emitter.on(SubscriptionEvent.Complete, resolve)
-      }),
-    ])
-
-    if (!done) {
-      start()
-    }
-  }
-
-  start()
-
-  return () => {
-    done = true
-    sub?.close()
-  }
-}
-
 export const getThunkError = async (thunk: Thunk) => {
   const result = await thunk.result
   const [{status, message}] = Object.values(result) as any
diff --git a/src/app/components/MenuSpace.svelte b/src/app/components/MenuSpace.svelte
index 6f9d3daa..f57675c1 100644
--- a/src/app/components/MenuSpace.svelte
+++ b/src/app/components/MenuSpace.svelte
@@ -1,7 +1,6 @@
 <script lang="ts">
   import {onMount} from "svelte"
   import {displayRelayUrl, GROUP_META} from "@welshman/util"
-  import {load} from "@welshman/app"
   import {fly} from "@lib/transition"
   import Icon from "@lib/components/Icon.svelte"
   import Button from "@lib/components/Button.svelte"
@@ -24,6 +23,7 @@
     deriveOtherRooms,
   } from "@app/state"
   import {deriveNotification, THREAD_FILTERS} from "@app/notifications"
+  import {pullConservatively} from "@app/requests"
   import {pushModal} from "@app/modal"
   import {makeSpacePath} from "@app/routes"
 
@@ -65,7 +65,7 @@
 
   onMount(async () => {
     replaceState = Boolean(element.closest(".drawer"))
-    load({relays: [url], filters: [{kinds: [GROUP_META]}]})
+    pullConservatively({relays: [url], filters: [{kinds: [GROUP_META]}]})
   })
 </script>
 
diff --git a/src/app/components/ReactionSummary.svelte b/src/app/components/ReactionSummary.svelte
index 3670291a..479793a0 100644
--- a/src/app/components/ReactionSummary.svelte
+++ b/src/app/components/ReactionSummary.svelte
@@ -1,7 +1,8 @@
 <script lang="ts">
   import {onMount} from "svelte"
-  import {groupBy, uniqBy} from "@welshman/lib"
-  import {REACTION} from "@welshman/util"
+  import {groupBy, uniqBy, batch} from "@welshman/lib"
+  import {REACTION, DELETE} from "@welshman/util"
+  import type {TrustedEvent} from "@welshman/util"
   import {deriveEvents} from "@welshman/store"
   import {pubkey, repository, load, displayProfileByPubkey} from "@welshman/app"
   import {displayList} from "@lib/util"
@@ -23,7 +24,16 @@
   )
 
   onMount(() => {
-    load({relays, filters})
+    load({
+      relays,
+      filters,
+      onEvent: batch(300, (events: TrustedEvent[]) => {
+        load({
+          relays,
+          filters: [{kinds: [DELETE], "#e": events.map(e => e.id)}],
+        })
+      }),
+    })
   })
 </script>
 
diff --git a/src/app/requests.ts b/src/app/requests.ts
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..be938bd5
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/app/requests.ts
@@ -0,0 +1,106 @@
+import type {Unsubscriber} from "svelte/store"
+import {sleep, partition, assoc, now, sortBy} from "@welshman/lib"
+import {MESSAGE, DELETE, THREAD, COMMENT} from "@welshman/util"
+import type {SubscribeRequestWithHandlers, Subscription} from "@welshman/net"
+import {SubscriptionEvent} from "@welshman/net"
+import type {AppSyncOpts} from "@welshman/app"
+import {subscribe, load, pull, repository, hasNegentropy} from "@welshman/app"
+import {userRoomsByUrl, LEGACY_MESSAGE, GENERAL} from "@app/state"
+
+// Utils
+
+export const pullConservatively = ({relays, filters}: AppSyncOpts) => {
+  const [smart, dumb] = partition(hasNegentropy, relays)
+  const promises = [pull({relays: smart, filters})]
+
+  // Since pulling from relays without negentropy is expensive, limit how many
+  // duplicates we repeatedly download
+  if (dumb.length > 0) {
+    const events = sortBy(e => -e.created_at, repository.query(filters))
+
+    if (events.length > 100) {
+      filters = filters.map(assoc("since", events[10]!.created_at))
+    }
+
+    promises.push(pull({relays: dumb, filters}))
+  }
+
+  return Promise.all(promises)
+}
+
+export const subscribePersistent = (request: SubscribeRequestWithHandlers) => {
+  let sub: Subscription
+  let done = false
+
+  const start = async () => {
+    // If the subscription gets closed quickly, don't start flapping
+    await Promise.all([
+      sleep(30_000),
+      new Promise(resolve => {
+        sub = subscribe(request)
+        sub.emitter.on(SubscriptionEvent.Complete, resolve)
+      }),
+    ])
+
+    if (!done) {
+      start()
+    }
+  }
+
+  start()
+
+  return () => {
+    done = true
+    sub?.close()
+  }
+}
+
+// Application requests
+
+export const listenForNotifications = () => {
+  const since = now()
+  const unsubscribers: Unsubscriber[] = []
+
+  for (const [url, rooms] of userRoomsByUrl.get()) {
+    load({
+      relays: [url],
+      filters: [
+        {kinds: [THREAD], limit: 1},
+        {kinds: [COMMENT], "#K": [String(THREAD)], limit: 1},
+        ...Array.from(rooms).map(room => ({kinds: [MESSAGE], "#h": [room], limit: 1})),
+      ],
+    })
+
+    unsubscribers.push(
+      subscribePersistent({
+        relays: [url],
+        filters: [
+          {kinds: [THREAD], since},
+          {kinds: [COMMENT], "#K": [String(THREAD)], since},
+          {kinds: [MESSAGE], "#h": Array.from(rooms), since},
+        ],
+      }),
+    )
+  }
+
+  return () => {
+    for (const unsubscribe of unsubscribers) {
+      unsubscribe()
+    }
+  }
+}
+
+export const listenForChannelMessages = (url: string, room: string) => {
+  const since = now()
+  const relays = [url]
+  const legacyRoom = room === GENERAL ? "general" : room
+
+  // Load legacy immediate so our request doesn't get rejected by nip29 relays
+  load({relays, filters: [{kinds: [LEGACY_MESSAGE], "#~": [legacyRoom]}], delay: 0})
+
+  // Load historical state with negentropy if available
+  pullConservatively({relays, filters: [{kinds: [MESSAGE, DELETE], "#h": [room]}]})
+
+  // Listen for new messages
+  return subscribePersistent({relays, filters: [{kinds: [MESSAGE, DELETE], "#h": [room], since}]})
+}
diff --git a/src/app/state.ts b/src/app/state.ts
index 59fad0a2..765cbb4d 100644
--- a/src/app/state.ts
+++ b/src/app/state.ts
@@ -5,11 +5,9 @@ import {
   ctx,
   setContext,
   remove,
-  assoc,
   sortBy,
   sort,
   uniq,
-  partition,
   nth,
   pushToMapKey,
   nthEq,
@@ -17,6 +15,7 @@ import {
   parseJson,
   fromPairs,
   memoize,
+  addToMapKey,
 } from "@welshman/lib"
 import {
   getIdFilters,
@@ -57,15 +56,13 @@ import {
   relay,
   getSession,
   getSigner,
-  hasNegentropy,
-  pull,
   createSearch,
   userFollows,
   ensurePlaintext,
   thunks,
   walkThunks,
 } from "@welshman/app"
-import type {AppSyncOpts, Thunk} from "@welshman/app"
+import type {Thunk} from "@welshman/app"
 import type {SubscribeRequestWithHandlers} from "@welshman/net"
 import {deriveEvents, deriveEventsMapped, withGetter, synced} from "@welshman/store"
 
@@ -209,25 +206,6 @@ export const ensureUnwrapped = async (event: TrustedEvent) => {
   return rumor
 }
 
-export const pullConservatively = ({relays, filters}: AppSyncOpts) => {
-  const [smart, dumb] = partition(hasNegentropy, relays)
-  const promises = [pull({relays: smart, filters})]
-
-  // Since pulling from relays without negentropy is expensive, limit how many
-  // duplicates we repeatedly download
-  if (dumb.length > 0) {
-    const events = sortBy(e => -e.created_at, repository.query(filters))
-
-    if (events.length > 100) {
-      filters = filters.map(assoc("since", events[100]!.created_at))
-    }
-
-    promises.push(pull({relays: dumb, filters}))
-  }
-
-  return Promise.all(promises)
-}
-
 export const trackerStore = makeTrackerStore()
 
 export const deriveEvent = (idOrAddress: string, hints: string[] = []) => {
@@ -382,10 +360,7 @@ export const {
   store: memberships,
   getKey: list => list.event.pubkey,
   load: (pubkey: string, request: Partial<SubscribeRequestWithHandlers> = {}) =>
-    load({
-      ...request,
-      filters: [{kinds: [GROUPS], authors: [pubkey]}],
-    }),
+    load({...request, filters: [{kinds: [GROUPS], authors: [pubkey]}]}),
 })
 
 // Chats
@@ -614,11 +589,26 @@ export const userMembership = withGetter(
   }),
 )
 
+export const userRoomsByUrl = withGetter(
+  derived(userMembership, $userMembership => {
+    const $userRoomsByUrl = new Map<string, Set<string>>()
+
+    for (const [_, room, url] of getGroupTags(getListTags($userMembership))) {
+      addToMapKey($userRoomsByUrl, url, room)
+    }
+
+    for (const url of $userRoomsByUrl.keys()) {
+      addToMapKey($userRoomsByUrl, url, GENERAL)
+    }
+
+    return $userRoomsByUrl
+  }),
+)
+
 export const deriveUserRooms = (url: string) =>
-  derived(userMembership, $userMembership => [
-    GENERAL,
-    ...sortBy(roomComparator(url), getMembershipRoomsByUrl(url, $userMembership)),
-  ])
+  derived(userRoomsByUrl, $userRoomsByUrl =>
+    sortBy(roomComparator(url), Array.from($userRoomsByUrl.get(url) || [])),
+  )
 
 export const deriveOtherRooms = (url: string) =>
   derived([deriveUserRooms(url), channelsByUrl], ([$userRooms, $channelsByUrl]) =>
diff --git a/src/routes/+layout.svelte b/src/routes/+layout.svelte
index 7760e7c8..855ecbed 100644
--- a/src/routes/+layout.svelte
+++ b/src/routes/+layout.svelte
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
   import {get, derived} from "svelte/store"
   import {dev} from "$app/environment"
   import {bytesToHex, hexToBytes} from "@noble/hashes/utils"
-  import {identity, uniq, sleep, take, sortBy, ago, now, HOUR, WEEK, Worker} from "@welshman/lib"
+  import {identity, sleep, take, sortBy, ago, now, HOUR, WEEK, Worker} from "@welshman/lib"
   import type {TrustedEvent} from "@welshman/util"
   import {
     PROFILE,
@@ -15,9 +15,6 @@
     RELAYS,
     INBOX_RELAYS,
     WRAP,
-    MESSAGE,
-    COMMENT,
-    THREAD,
     getPubkeyTagValues,
     getListTags,
   } from "@welshman/util"
@@ -39,7 +36,6 @@
     dropSession,
     getRelayUrls,
     userInboxRelaySelections,
-    load,
   } from "@welshman/app"
   import * as lib from "@welshman/lib"
   import * as util from "@welshman/util"
@@ -51,17 +47,11 @@
   import {setupTracking} from "@app/tracking"
   import {setupAnalytics} from "@app/analytics"
   import {theme} from "@app/theme"
-  import {
-    INDEXER_RELAYS,
-    getMembershipUrls,
-    getMembershipRooms,
-    userMembership,
-    ensureUnwrapped,
-    canDecrypt,
-    GENERAL,
-  } from "@app/state"
-  import {loadUserData, subscribePersistent} from "@app/commands"
+  import {INDEXER_RELAYS, userMembership, ensureUnwrapped, canDecrypt} from "@app/state"
+  import {loadUserData} from "@app/commands"
+  import {subscribePersistent, listenForNotifications} from "@app/requests"
   import * as commands from "@app/commands"
+  import * as requests from "@app/requests"
   import {checked} from "@app/notifications"
   import * as notifications from "@app/notifications"
   import * as state from "@app/state"
@@ -86,6 +76,7 @@
       ...app,
       ...state,
       ...commands,
+      ...requests,
       ...notifications,
     })
 
@@ -199,30 +190,7 @@
 
       userMembership.subscribe($membership => {
         unsubSpaces?.()
-
-        const since = ago(30)
-        const rooms = uniq(getMembershipRooms($membership).map(m => m.room)).concat(GENERAL)
-        const relays = uniq(getMembershipUrls($membership))
-
-        // Get one event for each of our notification categories
-        load({
-          relays,
-          filters: [
-            {kinds: [THREAD], limit: 1},
-            {kinds: [COMMENT], "#K": [String(THREAD)], limit: 1},
-            ...rooms.map(room => ({kinds: [MESSAGE], "#h": [room], limit: 1})),
-          ],
-        })
-
-        // Listen for new notifications/memberships
-        unsubSpaces = subscribePersistent({
-          relays,
-          filters: [
-            {kinds: [THREAD], since},
-            {kinds: [COMMENT], "#K": [String(THREAD)], since},
-            {kinds: [MESSAGE], "#h": rooms, since},
-          ],
-        })
+        unsubSpaces = listenForNotifications()
       })
 
       // Listen for chats, populate chat-based notifications
diff --git a/src/routes/chat/+layout.svelte b/src/routes/chat/+layout.svelte
index a33d1955..0b69b52d 100644
--- a/src/routes/chat/+layout.svelte
+++ b/src/routes/chat/+layout.svelte
@@ -12,7 +12,8 @@
   import SecondaryNavSection from "@lib/components/SecondaryNavSection.svelte"
   import ChatStart from "@app/components/ChatStart.svelte"
   import ChatItem from "@app/components/ChatItem.svelte"
-  import {chatSearch, pullConservatively} from "@app/state"
+  import {chatSearch} from "@app/state"
+  import {pullConservatively} from "@app/requests"
   import {pushModal} from "@app/modal"
 
   const startChat = () => pushModal(ChatStart)
diff --git a/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/[room]/+page.svelte b/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/[room]/+page.svelte
index 07c3daa2..e1cd86d9 100644
--- a/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/[room]/+page.svelte
+++ b/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/[room]/+page.svelte
@@ -5,11 +5,11 @@
   import {derived} from "svelte/store"
   import type {Editor} from "svelte-tiptap"
   import {page} from "$app/stores"
-  import {sleep, now, ctx} from "@welshman/lib"
+  import {sleep, ctx} from "@welshman/lib"
   import type {TrustedEvent, EventContent} from "@welshman/util"
   import {throttled} from "@welshman/store"
-  import {createEvent, DELETE, MESSAGE} from "@welshman/util"
-  import {formatTimestampAsDate, load, publishThunk, deriveRelay} from "@welshman/app"
+  import {createEvent, MESSAGE} from "@welshman/util"
+  import {formatTimestampAsDate, publishThunk, deriveRelay} from "@welshman/app"
   import {slide} from "@lib/transition"
   import {createScroller, type Scroller} from "@lib/html"
   import Icon from "@lib/components/Icon.svelte"
@@ -22,7 +22,6 @@
   import ChannelMessage from "@app/components/ChannelMessage.svelte"
   import ChannelCompose from "@app/components/ChannelCompose.svelte"
   import {
-    pullConservatively,
     userSettingValues,
     userMembership,
     decodeRelay,
@@ -34,13 +33,8 @@
     displayChannel,
   } from "@app/state"
   import {setChecked} from "@app/notifications"
-  import {
-    nip29,
-    addRoomMembership,
-    removeRoomMembership,
-    getThunkError,
-    subscribePersistent,
-  } from "@app/commands"
+  import {nip29, addRoomMembership, removeRoomMembership, getThunkError} from "@app/commands"
+  import {listenForChannelMessages} from "@app/requests"
   import {PROTECTED} from "@app/state"
   import {popKey} from "@app/implicit"
   import {pushToast} from "@app/toast"
@@ -96,7 +90,7 @@
       delay: $userSettingValues.send_delay,
     })
 
-  let limit = 15
+  let limit = 30
   let loading = true
   let unsub: () => void
   let element: HTMLElement
@@ -135,32 +129,16 @@
     // Sveltekiiit
     await sleep(100)
 
-    if (!nip29.isSupported($relay)) {
-      load({
-        delay: 0,
-        relays: [url],
-        filters: [{kinds: [LEGACY_MESSAGE], "#~": [legacyRoom]}],
-      })
-    }
-
-    pullConservatively({
-      relays: [url],
-      filters: [{kinds: [MESSAGE, DELETE], "#h": [room]}],
-    })
-
     scroller = createScroller({
       element,
       delay: 300,
       threshold: 3000,
       onScroll: () => {
-        limit += 15
+        limit += 30
       },
     })
 
-    unsub = subscribePersistent({
-      relays: [url],
-      filters: [{kinds: [MESSAGE], "#h": [room], since: now()}],
-    })
+    unsub = listenForChannelMessages(url, room)
   })
 
   onDestroy(() => {
diff --git a/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/calendar/+page.svelte b/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/calendar/+page.svelte
index 88e39ad2..6ce88596 100644
--- a/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/calendar/+page.svelte
+++ b/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/calendar/+page.svelte
@@ -14,7 +14,8 @@
   import EventItem from "@app/components/EventItem.svelte"
   import EventCreate from "@app/components/EventCreate.svelte"
   import {pushModal} from "@app/modal"
-  import {deriveEventsForUrl, pullConservatively, decodeRelay} from "@app/state"
+  import {deriveEventsForUrl, decodeRelay} from "@app/state"
+  import {pullConservatively} from "@app/requests"
   import {setChecked} from "@app/notifications"
 
   const url = decodeRelay($page.params.relay)
diff --git a/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/threads/[id]/+page.svelte b/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/threads/[id]/+page.svelte
index 23242f59..bdaad3e8 100644
--- a/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/threads/[id]/+page.svelte
+++ b/src/routes/spaces/[relay]/threads/[id]/+page.svelte
@@ -15,7 +15,7 @@
   import ThreadActions from "@app/components/ThreadActions.svelte"
   import ThreadReply from "@app/components/ThreadReply.svelte"
   import {deriveEvent, decodeRelay} from "@app/state"
-  import {subscribePersistent} from "@app/commands"
+  import {subscribePersistent} from "@app/requests"
   import {setChecked} from "@app/notifications"
 
   const {relay, id} = $page.params